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We provide new lower bounds on the privacy guarantee of _multi-epoch_ Adaptive Batch Linear Queries (ABLQ) mechanism with _shuffled batch sampling_, demonstrating substantial gaps when compared to _Poisson subsampling_; prior analysis was limited to a single epoch. Since the privacy analysis of Differentially Private Stochastic Gradient Descent (DP-SGD) is obtained by analyzing the ABLQ mechanism, this brings into serious question the common practice of implementing Shuffling based DP-SGD, but reporting privacy parameters as if Poisson subsampling was used. To understand the impact of this gap on the utility of trained machine learning models, we introduce a novel practical approach to implement Poisson subsampling _at scale_ using massively parallel computation, and efficiently train models with the same. We provide a comparison between the utility of models trained with Poisson subsampling based DP-SGD, and the optimistic estimates of utility when using shuffling, via our new lower bounds on the privacy guarantee of ABLQ with shuffling.