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This paper is focused on the incorporation of recent techniques for multi-layer perceptron (MLP) based feature extraction in Temporal Pattern (TRAP) and Hidden Activation TRAP (HATS) feature extraction scheme. The TRAP scheme has been origin of various MLP-based features some of which are now indivisible part of state-of-the-art LVCSR systems. The modifications which brought most improvement - sub-phoneme targets and Bottle-Neck technique - are introduced into original TRAP scheme. Introduction of sub-phoneme targets uncovered the hidden danger of having too many classes in TRAP/HATS scheme. On the other hand, Bottle-Neck technique improved the TRAP/HATS scheme so its competitive with other approaches.